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Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:35:00 -
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Max Deveron wrote:hmmm....interesting times ahead of us it seems. I for one did not like the module tiercide....but i didnt come here to post about that.
I read maybe 400 posts, basically saw 3 camps.....the fors, the againsts, and the neutrals(fence straddlers). A lot of nullsecr's raging in here. Well lets see.....maybe if you had set up your local areas for marketing and industry you would not be raging so hard. Curently most nullsecrs (not all) look down on anybody that doesnt pvp all the time.....and more so those that dont pvp at all. Yet you rat yourself to make Isk? You dont protect your renters for the most part....instead you slave them out, tax them to death, make them wait on you all the time, or expect them to jump the second you snap your fingers. Ok thats fine and dandy....your pvpr's, you buy all you stuff....you dont build it unless its a cap or supercap. And where to you buy your stuff?
You buy it from highsec, then you send your alts or force miners to go there also.....then you assist crusades or lead them yourselves against highsec miners, ratters, and Indy alike. Why? because you have no content in null. You need kills, you only pvp here because of the meta of being big dog whether your a failure or not at COD or BF4. Except you forgot that EvE isnt a twitch game....it is not an instant gratification game. It is one of strategy and tactics.
Yet you have nothing in place for hardcore local defense, you dont defend or utilize your space (meaning betls, anoms, etc not TCU's and SBU's) let alone have any real concrete programs in place for having a core indy group....the farmers to feed your military and the permanent defense patrols for them to feel safe. So they either move or are told to go to highsec and collect stuff and ship home to null.
Renters.....they utilize space for you...but do it to make ISK or fuel their own ambitions of game play....but they utilize the space and are forced to wait hand and foot for you to get around doing upgrades and stuff for them. What is the rent for? To pay your Sov BIll? screw that....pay it yourself by utilizing more than you do and if you need more space for that to happen then take it or die trying. In my personal experience on another toon in another day....a renter is left to fend for themselves 90% of the time...and if they toe the political party line 100% then maybe they wont be subject to being picked on by members of their overlords. Logistics..........you would not be crying so much if your indy and miners were based at home rather than Highsec. Stagnation is really your fault. Blue donut is your fault. and the line members....75% of you are nothing more than two-bit thugs that have forgot why you came to EvE in the first place.....thats why your bored, thats why you rail on changes like this....albiet i agree its maybe a wee bit harsher than it needs to be. I heard a rumor last year....do not know if its true or not I dont load up dotlan to find out....but i heard that Mittani at one time ordered their homeworld areas to be maxed out for indy. Players need/want that chance to own a piece of the pie....and they can not do it. If this change downsizes the space owned by the Null Lords....then so be it maybe the smaller guys can start to finally take the fight to own that slice. For those that have unsubbed or threatening to.......good EvE dont need you...your a drain on the community anyway with your acidic toxic way of dealing with others just because you can....just because your top of the foodchain. Honestly....it should be the pvpr' that works for the indy guys not the other way around. And i say that last bit because in any other strategy game, RTS or not....its the resource collector, the buildings, etc that are the most important resource....to fuel the military offensive and defensive capability to win. So nullbears qq about moving stuff around.....a carrier can do it but thats not its purpose its a combat ship....a carrier with sub-caps maybe should be an escort force for a convoy of JF or regular freighters. quit crying about moving stuff from highsec to null....you have enough out there if you moved your assets out there to be 100% self-sufficient. Highsec on the other hand has to rely on wormhole diving or resources from Nullsec for building stuff on the other hand. Have you thought about that strategy? IF you controlled the t2 market to the extreme as in not bringing moon goo or completed ships to highsec....you would totally dominate in that economically and militarily.....because Highsec players would be forced to trade on your terms or really really have a reason to move to null themselves. Of course that would require you leave Highsec with your mains and alts and never look back......might be too much to ask for or for the ragers (logistic nullbears) to think about. man renting from n3 and pl must be rough if this is how it is
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Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:29:00 -
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Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days |
Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:34:00 -
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the point is that if you cant even understand how moongoo enriches its owner, you're not qualified to speak on the subject
it is like you got the fact from a cracker jack box you found in the back of your grandma's pantry |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:36:00 -
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cracker jacks are p tasty but your fingers get all sticky and you have to towel off a lot
i could eat them with chopsticks but that would make me a huge tool |
Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:40:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days And the cherry picking begins. I must have struck a cord. i think cherries are worth more than tech moons these days |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:54:00 -
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Ocih wrote: I must have struck a cord.
also it's "struck a chord"
cmon |
Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:04:00 -
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Ocih wrote: Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons.
all moongoo is related to tech 2 production
i've got a good deal on shovels in case yours breaks while you dig yourself deeper
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Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:06:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: I must have struck a cord.
also it's "struck a chord" cmon more apple-picking i have struct many cords, a cord of cords even technically a cord is a unit of volume, and while you normally only use it to measure firewood, i guess you could use it to indicate a very large number of apples too
makes you think |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:21:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Some fun statistics. 8.9 % of all posts in this thread are from members of Goonswarm Federation. 15.2 % of all posts in this thread are from members of the CFC. 15.2 % of all posts in this thread are from faceless npc corp alts. 1.6 % of all posts in this thread are from members of pandemic legion. 2.8 % of all posts in this thread are from members of N3. 2.4 % of all posts in this thread are from NPC 0.0 entities. 2 % of all posts in this thread are from renters. 0% of all posts in this thread are good |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:40:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Ocih wrote:I really do feel bad for you all, getting kicked in the face by CCP once again for doing what the rest of us were too lazy to do, too busy to do, too anything to do. Make that steaming pile of horse pucky work. As mentioned several times throughout the thread, this change is actually giving us a "buff" in Deklein. Our space won't really change, it may even expand or simply take a new shape (ditching the furthest expanses of our space). The ability for capitals to take gates is laughable, meaning that we can form a defense fleet anywhere in our space to meet opposing hostile forces. We understand the intent of this change- to nerf power projection - but the implementation of it as currently described is awful. No one really cares about Deklein tbh. Keep it. It's your other regions spanning 95 LY and full of pos's, renters, and moons that might see some fun come the patch. same except yours |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:57:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:
rrrrr ruff ruff rufff rrrrrrrrrr ruff
True, it will be ruff for some folks in the short term but I have faith that players will adapt to the new paradigms. m yes through our dogged efforts we will prevail |
Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.07 21:46:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Andski wrote:Ocih wrote:My apologies, once again I over estimated the mental capacity of Goons.
Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons. I was not making reference to Technetium moons that have been defunked of value for over a year and are all but worthless now.
The coveted moons of Null that draw Power Bloc's to them. They will remain in the hands of IS Boxing, lag inducing power bloc's because the rest of us have no desire to sit on them like mother hen, clucking on the forums all day. technetium is an R32 and there is literally no other use for a pile of moon minerals other than reacting into refined products that are used for t2 production please stop pretending to know things about nullsec I typed out a bunch of stuff, then deleted it. You know what? You are right. I have no idea how Null works. it's beyond me. It's just too much information for me to absorb. You and your 15 friends keep doing all that hard stuff, I will sit in High Sec until I get bored and buy end products from you. I really don't mind. I CBA to fight with you, even on the forums anymore. The game is that dreary and predictable. that is what I like to see
the most ingratiating position of surrender possible |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:00:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: that is what I like to see
the most ingratiating position of surrender possible
It just occurred to me why CCP is making this change. When you guys steamroll some useless hole in the middle of nowhere for the lulz, an Evac will be all but impossible. Of course if they flip GSF like BoB it means a lot of stuff gets left in Dek too but that won't happen.. did you just imply that ccp would disband our alliance
lmbo |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:27:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: that is what I like to see
the most ingratiating position of surrender possible
It just occurred to me why CCP is making this change. When you guys steamroll some useless hole in the middle of nowhere for the lulz, an Evac will be all but impossible. Of course if they flip GSF like BoB it means a lot of stuff gets left in Dek too but that won't happen.. did you just imply that ccp would disband our alliance lmbo You should really be worried about what will actually happen when this goes live. Nothing changes.
please tell us what will happen o master of moongoo |
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:54:00 -
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Nazri al Mahdi wrote:Agreed. If you give JF 100% immunity to effects of fatigue and range nerf and ban it from carrying ships in any form, then it can't be used for power projection or combat taxis. carry ships in mineral and component form, carry the blueprints in a separate autism chariot, build in your staging system
bam I just projected the hell out of force |
Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.08 03:33:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote: I for one applaud CCP for such aggressive out-of-the-box changes. The movement of massive fleets across the entire galaxy in moments has led to the blue donut we know and hate. This is more a throwback to the old days, when there wasn't an easy button to press that led to your cap fleet immediately smashing ontop of your enemies face. Nullsec Alliances might actually have to *shock* think about how to defend their space.
i copied and pasted this quote to jabber and called it "what_highsec_publlords_actually_believe.txt"
just thought you'd like to know |
Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.08 03:35:00 -
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Ukiah Oregan wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quite a bit more vulnerable relocate your home office to any station you have a clone at suicide appear instantly in PB relocate your home office to any station you have a clone at suicide appear instantly DEK used this more than you may want to know to "enforce immediate harm on my enemies" along far reaching stars you do know that this is getting removed in phoebe right |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:19:00 -
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Litia Cours wrote:Perhaps I missed something about 0.0 space.
Why should a 1 hour old character be able to easily transfer to 0.0 space?
To give an analogy on this:-
Would you give a newborn baby a handgun and a fork, throw them out into the wilderness and expect them to survive?
0.0 is supposed to be dangerous, deadly space full of nasty outlaw types that eat babies for breakfast. Why should a < 1 month character be allowed to move instantly and without danger to the deepest regions of that space?
If you are bringing in an alt toon for scouting/probing/general **** you don't do on your main toons, then scout them in.
As I said at the start, perhaps I missed something.... you missed that there is no minimum SP requirement to be in nullsec
you don't need to train or prepare or anything, you just go there and start having fun
for the last seven years, goonswarm federation's newbie policy has been "finish the tutorial, then pod the eff to nullsec, leave everything behind" |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:13:00 -
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Litia Cours wrote:Sorry I forgot this game was designed for Goons. My point is why should it be easy as a newbie to travel to the darkest reaches of space? It should be difficult. nope
you building up some head canon about "the darkest reaches of space" doesn't change the fact that it's a terrible idea |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:49:00 -
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Dinger wrote: - Change all currently passive resource generation to the point where it is active and both disruptable and destructible, moon goo especially.
where did this fanfic originate that paints moongoo as being indestructible and unmolestable
have you tried shooting a moon mining tower, I recommend dreadnaught class space wessels for the task
siphons are also good at screwing with moon havers |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 17:00:00 -
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Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:Example of a CSM member actually doing something. Very impressed. eh cut em some slack
most of them didn't even hear about this change before we did :haw: |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 17:40:00 -
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Linkxsc162534 wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Dinger wrote: - Change all currently passive resource generation to the point where it is active and both disruptable and destructible, moon goo especially.
where did this fanfic originate that paints moongoo as being indestructible and unmolestable have you tried shooting a moon mining tower, I recommend dreadnaught class space wessels for the task siphons are also good at screwing with moon havers siphons are garbage. And before letting dreads through gates, you are at the mercy of the cynojammers and supercap blob. Poast change however, I could literally fly a dread in by meself, siege up, and blap a tower into reinforced now. Probably want some support with me, but it still stands that in november we WILL have the ability to interrupt moon mining. ah yes cynojammers, the scourge of all moons in lowsec, npc 0.0, and moons that net less than 600m isk per month (the cost of a cynojammer sov upgrade) in sov space |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 19:10:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:I feel like taking your own alliance's bridges in a subcap should have reduced fatigue, but I'm out of time at the moment to coherently word why. unfortunately that would be equivalent to just reducing jump bridge fatigue across the board as we coalesce into one alliance |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:11:00 -
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you're all idiots if you think mynnna's formula can ever REDUCE your fatigue by jumping
the constants are there specifically to prevent that from happening |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:22:00 -
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Gwailar wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:you're all idiots if you think mynnna's formula can ever REDUCE your fatigue by jumping
the constants are there specifically to prevent that from happening PFffffff Maths or GTFO. FORMULA: Fatigue = (Fatigue Before Jump + Distance of Jump)^(Destination Distance from Origin * A + B)
just set B to > 1
blammeaux |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:33:00 -
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Gwailar wrote:Been there already. Gwailar wrote:The only way this would work if B were always equal to or greater than 1. But the original suggestion was for .3. i said the formula was sound, not his constants |
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:34:00 -
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but if that ain't good enough for y'all then we can do this
MAX(1, (distance from origin * A + B)) |
Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:18:00 -
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Balder Verdandi wrote: Industry, specifically BPO research, has been dumbed down to make a perfectly research BPO easier to calculate, which in turn has dried up some of the "out of game resoruces" that I used quite frequently. The change came, and they shut down. This means content both in and out of game has been comprimized all for the sake of change.
Change simply for the sake of change is bad.
lmbo
were you the guy who had an me1975 drone bpo or something |
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